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		<title>Comment on JFS by Caste discrimination - Employment Law Advocates</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/jfs/#comment-10744</link>
		<dc:creator>Caste discrimination - Employment Law Advocates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Aug 2011 14:55:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of the House of Lords in Mandla v Lee. However, the more recent decision of the Supreme Court in JFS changed all that. In JFS, it was held to be unlawful to discriminate against a boy because of his [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] of the House of Lords in Mandla v Lee. However, the more recent decision of the Supreme Court in JFS changed all that. In JFS, it was held to be unlawful to discriminate against a boy because of his [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arbitration agreements by Employment status for discrimination claims - Employment Law Advocates</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/arbitration-agreements/#comment-10601</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment status for discrimination claims - Employment Law Advocates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Aug 2011 11:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Supreme Court has now given judgment in Jivraj v Hashwani, a case which I first discussed here. The decision of the Court of Appeal has been overturned, which comes as no great surprise. It may [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Supreme Court has now given judgment in Jivraj v Hashwani, a case which I first discussed here. The decision of the Court of Appeal has been overturned, which comes as no great surprise. It may [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on No reasonable prospect of success by No reasonable prospect of success 2 - Employment Law Advocates</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/no-reasonable-prospect-of-succes/#comment-10554</link>
		<dc:creator>No reasonable prospect of success 2 - Employment Law Advocates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Jul 2011 14:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] as I said in a post in March, it is not quite that simple. The problem is that it is impossible to determine [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as I said in a post in March, it is not quite that simple. The problem is that it is impossible to determine [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Arbitration agreements by UK Supreme Court Cases in 2011 &#124; Employment Law Advocates London</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/arbitration-agreements/#comment-10534</link>
		<dc:creator>UK Supreme Court Cases in 2011 &#124; Employment Law Advocates London</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:26:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] The end of the year will see the infamous case of Edwards v Chesterfield Royal Hospital, in which the judgment of the Court of Appeal is rather persuasive in its reasoning but undoubtedly controversial in its result, as it allows employees to claim damages for breach of contract beyond their notice period, albeit only in certain extreme circumstances. The Supreme Court may well be asked to clarify the earlier decisions of the House of Lords concerning the scope of the so-called Johnson exclusion area. In a sense, the final case, Jivraj v Hashwani, is not an employment law case at all but one which does require employment law to be applied and to which, it is respectfully submitted, it has not been done all that well so far. See my previous posts about Edwards here and Jivraj here. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] The end of the year will see the infamous case of Edwards v Chesterfield Royal Hospital, in which the judgment of the Court of Appeal is rather persuasive in its reasoning but undoubtedly controversial in its result, as it allows employees to claim damages for breach of contract beyond their notice period, albeit only in certain extreme circumstances. The Supreme Court may well be asked to clarify the earlier decisions of the House of Lords concerning the scope of the so-called Johnson exclusion area. In a sense, the final case, Jivraj v Hashwani, is not an employment law case at all but one which does require employment law to be applied and to which, it is respectfully submitted, it has not been done all that well so far. See my previous posts about Edwards here and Jivraj here. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Breach of contract by UK Supreme Court Cases in 2011 &#124; Employment Law Advocates London</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/breach-of-contract/#comment-10533</link>
		<dc:creator>UK Supreme Court Cases in 2011 &#124; Employment Law Advocates London</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jun 2011 11:20:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] submitted, it has not been done all that well so far. See my previous posts about Edwards here and Jivraj [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on JFS by Justifying discrimination &#124; Employment Law Advocates</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/jfs/#comment-9874</link>
		<dc:creator>Justifying discrimination &#124; Employment Law Advocates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 May 2011 16:27:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] the JFS case made clear, in most areas of life, direct discrimination cannot be justified. Furthermore, it [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] the JFS case made clear, in most areas of life, direct discrimination cannot be justified. Furthermore, it [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Territorial jurisdiction by Duncombe v Secretary of State &#124; Employment Law Advocates</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/territorial-jurisdiction/#comment-9036</link>
		<dc:creator>Duncombe v Secretary of State &#124; Employment Law Advocates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 16:07:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] and the Court of Appeal, the dominant issue was one of territorial jurisdiction, as discussed here. However, in the recent ruling made by the Supreme Court, the Secretary of State for Children, [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] and the Court of Appeal, the dominant issue was one of territorial jurisdiction, as discussed here. However, in the recent ruling made by the Supreme Court, the Secretary of State for Children, [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Protecting pregnant employees by Eversheds v De Belin &#124; Employment Law Advocates</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/protecting-pregnant-employees/#comment-9035</link>
		<dc:creator>Eversheds v De Belin &#124; Employment Law Advocates</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 08 Apr 2011 15:34:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] few months ago, I wrote a blog post about a case in which a male employee successfully claimed sex discrimination against his [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Dual discrimination by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/dual-discrimination/#comment-7198</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Jan 2011 13:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Graham,

Discrimination law uses a wide definition of employment which includes anyone who provides a service personally, so long as they are not operating as a business. There does not need to be a contract of employment. It appears from the judgment that the BBC did not challenge the jurisdiction of the Employment Tribunal to hear the claim.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Graham,</p>
<p>Discrimination law uses a wide definition of employment which includes anyone who provides a service personally, so long as they are not operating as a business. There does not need to be a contract of employment. It appears from the judgment that the BBC did not challenge the jurisdiction of the Employment Tribunal to hear the claim.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Dual discrimination by Graham Hill</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/dual-discrimination/#comment-7180</link>
		<dc:creator>Graham Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 17 Jan 2011 14:17:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As I understand it Miriam O&#039;Reilly was NOT an BBC employee as she was a freelancer on contract. The Employment Tribunal is only for employees. As such why does the Employment Tribunal have any authority in this case?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As I understand it Miriam O&#8217;Reilly was NOT an BBC employee as she was a freelancer on contract. The Employment Tribunal is only for employees. As such why does the Employment Tribunal have any authority in this case?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Discrimination against MEPs by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/discrimination-against-meps/#comment-6637</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Dec 2010 23:59:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I should add that the link below gives some more details of the allegations from the solictiors representing Nikki Sinclaire. It is alleged that the whip was withdrawn from her but not from a straight UKIP MEP who refused to sit with the Northern League. If so, this is a much stronger claim than that which was reported by the BBC and one for which there is a somewhat stronger case that parliamentary immunity does not apply:

http://www.rjw.co.uk/latest-news/article/nikki-sinclaire-mep-alleges-homophobia-in-uk-independence-party/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should add that the link below gives some more details of the allegations from the solictiors representing Nikki Sinclaire. It is alleged that the whip was withdrawn from her but not from a straight UKIP MEP who refused to sit with the Northern League. If so, this is a much stronger claim than that which was reported by the BBC and one for which there is a somewhat stronger case that parliamentary immunity does not apply:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.rjw.co.uk/latest-news/article/nikki-sinclaire-mep-alleges-homophobia-in-uk-independence-party/" rel="nofollow">http://www.rjw.co.uk/latest-news/article/nikki-sinclaire-mep-alleges-homophobia-in-uk-independence-party/</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on British Airways strike injunction by Employment Law Advocates &#187; Blog Archive &#187; British Airways v Unite</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/british-airways-strike-injunction/#comment-5657</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates &#187; Blog Archive &#187; British Airways v Unite</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Dec 2010 01:27:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Court of Appeal has now been published. The reasoning is pretty much as anticipated in my previous post &#8211; there is no mention of human rights at all. Indeed, if anything, its ratio is narrower [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Court of Appeal has now been published. The reasoning is pretty much as anticipated in my previous post &#8211; there is no mention of human rights at all. Indeed, if anything, its ratio is narrower [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Retracting a dismissal by Heat of the moment &#8211; withdrawing a dismissal or resignation &#124; Usefully Employed</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/retracting-a-dismissal/#comment-2526</link>
		<dc:creator>Heat of the moment &#8211; withdrawing a dismissal or resignation &#124; Usefully Employed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 01 Aug 2010 01:37:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] James Medhurst has helpfully tied together an analysis of this case with the ruling of Roberts v West Coast Trains Ltd [2004] EWCA Civ 900,¬†which gives the employer a right to unilaterally reinstate following an appeal, or even perhaps without one. This does, as he says, potentially alter the balance between employer and employee, as the former could always &#8220;cure&#8221; his heat of the moment dismissal by reinstating whereas the employee is stuck with his resignation. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] James Medhurst has helpfully tied together an analysis of this case with the ruling of Roberts v West Coast Trains Ltd [2004] EWCA Civ 900,¬†which gives the employer a right to unilaterally reinstate following an appeal, or even perhaps without one. This does, as he says, potentially alter the balance between employer and employee, as the former could always &#8220;cure&#8221; his heat of the moment dismissal by reinstating whereas the employee is stuck with his resignation. [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Retracting a dismissal by More unfair dismissal cases reported, say unions &#124; Law Information</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/retracting-a-dismissal/#comment-2219</link>
		<dc:creator>More unfair dismissal cases reported, say unions &#124; Law Information</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Jul 2010 07:01:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Retracting a dismissal [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Protecting pregnant employees by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/protecting-pregnant-employees/#comment-1603</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 21:29:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes but we need people to get pregnant in order for society to survive. It is definitely something to be encouraged.

If we force women to choose between having a family and their careers, we immediately cut the national talent pool in half for every single job.

I am not a fan of the &#039;can you help it?&#039; rationale for discrimination law, applied to sexual orientation and religious discrimination as well. Like all law, the issue is whether it serves a social purpose in promoting harmony and creating a free market.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes but we need people to get pregnant in order for society to survive. It is definitely something to be encouraged.</p>
<p>If we force women to choose between having a family and their careers, we immediately cut the national talent pool in half for every single job.</p>
<p>I am not a fan of the &#8216;can you help it?&#8217; rationale for discrimination law, applied to sexual orientation and religious discrimination as well. Like all law, the issue is whether it serves a social purpose in promoting harmony and creating a free market.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Protecting pregnant employees by gyges</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/protecting-pregnant-employees/#comment-1602</link>
		<dc:creator>gyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 May 2010 16:33:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some people cannot help being black and so are protected by law against discrimination by others.

But people can help being pregnant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some people cannot help being black and so are protected by law against discrimination by others.</p>
<p>But people can help being pregnant.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Reasons for less favourable treatment by PT</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/reasons-for-less-favourable-treatment/#comment-1435</link>
		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Mar 2010 10:33:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m intrigued to read that mistake will always be a satisfactory reason which discharges the burden of proof.

As I think you suggest, I imagine mistake generally to be a pretty tough argument to make good. One would require pretty cogent and compelling evidence even to prove it on a balance of probabilities, no?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m intrigued to read that mistake will always be a satisfactory reason which discharges the burden of proof.</p>
<p>As I think you suggest, I imagine mistake generally to be a pretty tough argument to make good. One would require pretty cogent and compelling evidence even to prove it on a balance of probabilities, no?</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church and the Equality Bill by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-church-and-the-equality-bill/#comment-1293</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is not that the House of Lords have changed the Bill. My point is that they have tried to do so although, ultimately, they are bound to fail. However, there will be a small number of claimants disadvantaged in the time that it takes to go to the ECJ. In any event, it is unhelpful to have laws appearing wider than they are as this can discourage legitimate claims and makes errors of law more likely.

Amicus says that the test is a narrow one but a wider test was applied by a tribunal in Reaney v Hereford Diocesan Board (although the church still lost). The problem is that the old test gives far too much weight to avoiding offence to members of a religion, many of whom will object to youth workers, for example, being gay. Youth workers are a very important category of people about whom Amicus and, as far as I know, advocates of the amendment, have failed to state a clear position. This troubles me greatly.

I do not claim that I am unbiased. This is a blog, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is not that the House of Lords have changed the Bill. My point is that they have tried to do so although, ultimately, they are bound to fail. However, there will be a small number of claimants disadvantaged in the time that it takes to go to the ECJ. In any event, it is unhelpful to have laws appearing wider than they are as this can discourage legitimate claims and makes errors of law more likely.</p>
<p>Amicus says that the test is a narrow one but a wider test was applied by a tribunal in Reaney v Hereford Diocesan Board (although the church still lost). The problem is that the old test gives far too much weight to avoiding offence to members of a religion, many of whom will object to youth workers, for example, being gay. Youth workers are a very important category of people about whom Amicus and, as far as I know, advocates of the amendment, have failed to state a clear position. This troubles me greatly.</p>
<p>I do not claim that I am unbiased. This is a blog, after all.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church and the Equality Bill by Neil Addison</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-church-and-the-equality-bill/#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Addison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the Utmost Possible Respect to the author of this piece he seems to be making two completely contradictory points 
(i) that the changes proposed by the government in the Equality Bill do not change the existing legal position as set out in the current Sexual Orientation regulations and 
(ii)  that the decision by the House of Lords to restate the existing provisions in the Equality Bill fundamentally change the Bill.  

In addition when saying that the decision by the House of Lords will be overruled because of &quot;reasoned opinion&quot; by the European Commission both he, and the Commission, are ignoring the fact that the question of whether the exemptions in the Regulations complied with the Directive was carefully considered by the High Court in the case of Amicus MSF Section, R (on the application of) v Secretary of State for Trade and Industry [2004] EWHC 860 In that case the Judge clearly stated that the European Directive had been properly implemented by the British Employment Regulations and the exemptions for religious organisations set out in those regulations were legal.

Nobody has appealed that decision to the European Court of Justice or to the UK Supreme Court and therefore that decision by the High Court represents the current legal position.

In a society governed by the rule of law courts decide what the law is and a legal opinion, however &quot;reasoned&quot; it may be, cannot overrule or take precedence over a decision by a court. 

The High Court is entitled to have its decisions respected and supported by the British Government and Parliament. Decisions by national courts on questions of European Law can only be overruled by the European Court of Justice and not by the bureaucrats of the European Commission no matter how &quot;reasoned&quot; their opinions may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the Utmost Possible Respect to the author of this piece he seems to be making two completely contradictory points<br />
(i) that the changes proposed by the government in the Equality Bill do not change the existing legal position as set out in the current Sexual Orientation regulations and<br />
(ii)  that the decision by the House of Lords to restate the existing provisions in the Equality Bill fundamentally change the Bill.  </p>
<p>In addition when saying that the decision by the House of Lords will be overruled because of &#8220;reasoned opinion&#8221; by the European Commission both he, and the Commission, are ignoring the fact that the question of whether the exemptions in the Regulations complied with the Directive was carefully considered by the High Court in the case of Amicus MSF Section, R (on the application of) v Secretary of State for Trade and Industry [2004] EWHC 860 In that case the Judge clearly stated that the European Directive had been properly implemented by the British Employment Regulations and the exemptions for religious organisations set out in those regulations were legal.</p>
<p>Nobody has appealed that decision to the European Court of Justice or to the UK Supreme Court and therefore that decision by the High Court represents the current legal position.</p>
<p>In a society governed by the rule of law courts decide what the law is and a legal opinion, however &#8220;reasoned&#8221; it may be, cannot overrule or take precedence over a decision by a court. </p>
<p>The High Court is entitled to have its decisions respected and supported by the British Government and Parliament. Decisions by national courts on questions of European Law can only be overruled by the European Court of Justice and not by the bureaucrats of the European Commission no matter how &#8220;reasoned&#8221; their opinions may be.</p>
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		<title>Comment on The Church and the Equality Bill by Cecil Finlay</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-church-and-the-equality-bill/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecil Finlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see such unbiased reporting.....Not...!!!

It&#039;s not hard to tell on which side of the argument the author of this article sits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see such unbiased reporting&#8230;..Not&#8230;!!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to tell on which side of the argument the author of this article sits&#8230;</p>
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		<title>Comment on The BNP and the Race Relations Act by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-bnp-and-the-race-relations-act/#comment-803</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 19:31:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an unfair dismissal point of view, I suspect that it would be unfair to dismiss someone just for being a member of the BNP or for holding BNP views but would probably be fair to dismiss an employee who commits an act of gross misconduct which is motivated by these views or who proselytises to others. None of this applies to the police who are not covered by unfair dismissal law.

There have been various tortuous attempts to bring the BNP within the protection of discrimination law which have all been unsuccessful and I cannot see there being any change to this record, mainly because the BNP acts in a way which is contrary to the values underlying this law.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an unfair dismissal point of view, I suspect that it would be unfair to dismiss someone just for being a member of the BNP or for holding BNP views but would probably be fair to dismiss an employee who commits an act of gross misconduct which is motivated by these views or who proselytises to others. None of this applies to the police who are not covered by unfair dismissal law.</p>
<p>There have been various tortuous attempts to bring the BNP within the protection of discrimination law which have all been unsuccessful and I cannot see there being any change to this record, mainly because the BNP acts in a way which is contrary to the values underlying this law.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Direct discrimination by Twitted by UKEmployment</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/direct-discrimination/#comment-802</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitted by UKEmployment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 09:19:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The BNP and the Race Relations Act by gyges</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-bnp-and-the-race-relations-act/#comment-801</link>
		<dc:creator>gyges</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Oct 2009 08:54:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>From an employment law perspective, what do you make of attempts to prevent BNP members from being employed as teachers/police officers etc.  And, if they are employed as such, would it be legal to dismiss them for such?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From an employment law perspective, what do you make of attempts to prevent BNP members from being employed as teachers/police officers etc.  And, if they are employed as such, would it be legal to dismiss them for such?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Exemplary damages by Twitted by UKEmployment</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/exemplary-damages/#comment-750</link>
		<dc:creator>Twitted by UKEmployment</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Oct 2009 21:00:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on TUPE and mobility clauses by Constructive dismissal lite? Substantial detriment in TUPE. at Usefully Employed</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/tupe-and-mobility-clauses/#comment-565</link>
		<dc:creator>Constructive dismissal lite? Substantial detriment in TUPE. at Usefully Employed</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 16:12:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] it should be noted that the successful Appellent was represented by James Medhurst, who blogs about the case himself and has been kind enough to comment on this blog on occasion.   [...]</description>
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		<title>Comment on Dark law &#8211; amendments by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Dark law - amendments &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/dark-law-amendments/#comment-564</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Dark law - amendments &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Aug 2009 04:07:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Riam Dean by May Dean</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/riam-dean/#comment-555</link>
		<dc:creator>May Dean</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 Aug 2009 20:41:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr Medhurst,  I hope you have heard that Riam did end up winning her case against A&amp;F, and if the laws had not changed last year she would have also won on direct discrimination.  We are very proud of our daughter and for her standing up for her dignity, inspite of what some people thought, I assure you it was never about money, Riam felt she won the case simply by humiliating them in court, she wasnt even interested in the verdict, but for me it was the icing on the cake.  Riam is a beautiful person inside and out, she is very smart and didnt deserve to be treated they way A&amp;F did to her.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr Medhurst,  I hope you have heard that Riam did end up winning her case against A&amp;F, and if the laws had not changed last year she would have also won on direct discrimination.  We are very proud of our daughter and for her standing up for her dignity, inspite of what some people thought, I assure you it was never about money, Riam felt she won the case simply by humiliating them in court, she wasnt even interested in the verdict, but for me it was the icing on the cake.  Riam is a beautiful person inside and out, she is very smart and didnt deserve to be treated they way A&amp;F did to her.</p>
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		<title>Comment on How to waste Council Tax by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/how-to-waste-council-tax/#comment-526</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Aug 2009 21:47:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Having now had the chance to read the judgment, it seems that the DDA did not apply to Ms. Laird. Nevertheless, the policy problem still remains.</description>
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		<title>Comment on More about constructive dismissal by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/more-about-constructive-dismissal/#comment-510</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 13:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter - I suggest that you read the case of Dutton &amp; Clark v Daly from back in 1985. This suggested that an act outside the reasonable range of responses would be a repudiation in all cases. In the 1980s, everything was up in the air but such a view would now be inconsistent with Malik. It is also clear from Fairbrother and Claridge that an act outside the range is not sufficient on its own.

What is necessary for someone to do is to analyse what is meant by trust. What does an employee trust an employer to do or not to do? In my view, it is about fair treatment. If an employer acts fairly to an employee then, objectively, he cannot say that he has lost trust. However, if he treats him unfairly, it will not always be the case that trust of being treated fairly in the future is lost. Our relationships would not last long if a single act of unfairness resulted in trust being destroyed in every case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter &#8211; I suggest that you read the case of Dutton &amp; Clark v Daly from back in 1985. This suggested that an act outside the reasonable range of responses would be a repudiation in all cases. In the 1980s, everything was up in the air but such a view would now be inconsistent with Malik. It is also clear from Fairbrother and Claridge that an act outside the range is not sufficient on its own.</p>
<p>What is necessary for someone to do is to analyse what is meant by trust. What does an employee trust an employer to do or not to do? In my view, it is about fair treatment. If an employer acts fairly to an employee then, objectively, he cannot say that he has lost trust. However, if he treats him unfairly, it will not always be the case that trust of being treated fairly in the future is lost. Our relationships would not last long if a single act of unfairness resulted in trust being destroyed in every case.</p>
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		<title>Comment on More about constructive dismissal by PT</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/more-about-constructive-dismissal/#comment-509</link>
		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 28 Jul 2009 10:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not convinced that the Fairbrother point that you talk about at the end of your post is so controversial: If there is a range of reasonable responses, surely some responses within the range will be more reasonable than others. The point being: if a response falls within the range, it may still be tainted by an acceptable degree of unreasonableness. The moment you accept that there is more than one potential response is the moment you open the door to some unreasonableness.

On the wider issue:

HHJ Richardson seems to be making the point that:

Unreasonable conduct will only breach the implied term if the rest of the Malik test (conduct calculated or likely to seriously damage trust, etc) is satisfied.

All that Fairbrother did was apply the reasonable range of responses test to the &#039;without reasonable and proper cause&#039; part of the Malik test, with good reason (as HHJ Richardson explains in paragraph 43).

As you point out, HHJ Richardson himself says that it is difficult to conceive of conduct outside the reasonable range that does not breach the implied term.

Isn&#039;t that basically the same point that Elias P made in Claridge?

I am drifting towards the view that, actually, the first instance tribunal in Niblett got it right, in substance even if not in form, when they baldly stated that all that is needed for a constructive dismissal was conduct outside the reasonable range. I know that they were wrong to cite Fairbrother as authority for that view, but, thinking logically...

I challenge anyone to come up with a plausible example of conduct that is outside the reasonable range but not likely to seriously damage trust and confidence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not convinced that the Fairbrother point that you talk about at the end of your post is so controversial: If there is a range of reasonable responses, surely some responses within the range will be more reasonable than others. The point being: if a response falls within the range, it may still be tainted by an acceptable degree of unreasonableness. The moment you accept that there is more than one potential response is the moment you open the door to some unreasonableness.</p>
<p>On the wider issue:</p>
<p>HHJ Richardson seems to be making the point that:</p>
<p>Unreasonable conduct will only breach the implied term if the rest of the Malik test (conduct calculated or likely to seriously damage trust, etc) is satisfied.</p>
<p>All that Fairbrother did was apply the reasonable range of responses test to the &#8216;without reasonable and proper cause&#8217; part of the Malik test, with good reason (as HHJ Richardson explains in paragraph 43).</p>
<p>As you point out, HHJ Richardson himself says that it is difficult to conceive of conduct outside the reasonable range that does not breach the implied term.</p>
<p>Isn&#8217;t that basically the same point that Elias P made in Claridge?</p>
<p>I am drifting towards the view that, actually, the first instance tribunal in Niblett got it right, in substance even if not in form, when they baldly stated that all that is needed for a constructive dismissal was conduct outside the reasonable range. I know that they were wrong to cite Fairbrother as authority for that view, but, thinking logically&#8230;</p>
<p>I challenge anyone to come up with a plausible example of conduct that is outside the reasonable range but not likely to seriously damage trust and confidence.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Unconscious discrimination by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Unconscious discrimination &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/unconscious-discrimination/#comment-488</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Unconscious discrimination &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 24 Jul 2009 05:05:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on The Employment Law Years &#8211; 1998 by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª The Employment Law Years &#8230; &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-employment-law-years-1998/#comment-422</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª The Employment Law Years &#8230; &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 01:03:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Piggyback claims by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Piggyback claims &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/piggyback-claims/#comment-389</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Piggyback claims &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Jul 2009 13:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Overpayments by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Overpayments &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/overpayments/#comment-385</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Overpayments &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 30 Jun 2009 12:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Overpayments by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/overpayments/#comment-382</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 16:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Stephen. Thanks for posting but what I really want is a copy of the judgment in this Employment Tribunal case.</description>
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		<title>Comment on Overpayments by Stephen Davis</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/overpayments/#comment-380</link>
		<dc:creator>Stephen Davis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 13:09:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I found a copy of the judgement here:

http://www.emplaw.co.uk/researchfree-redirector.aspx?StartPage=data%2f20312142.htm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I found a copy of the judgement here:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.emplaw.co.uk/researchfree-redirector.aspx?StartPage=data%2f20312142.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.emplaw.co.uk/researchfree-redirector.aspx?StartPage=data%2f20312142.htm</a></p>
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		<title>Comment on How to waste Council Tax by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª How to waste Council Tax &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/how-to-waste-council-tax/#comment-379</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª How to waste Council Tax &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Jun 2009 08:43:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Overpayments by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/overpayments/#comment-360</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Jun 2009 19:56:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at some of the other coverage in the media, I am now wondering whether the tribunal used restitution at all. It may have come to the conclusion that the contract stating ¬£19,000 should be treated as an offer because it objectively resembled an offer even though no offer was intended. This is possible but would be an extreme and unusual finding and, to make it, the tribunal would not be able to take into account things that happened after the agreement was made, such as the fact that the error was not noticed for three years, or the fact that the higher salary was included in a reference for a mortgage, both of which have been given prominence in the press. I would dearly love to see a copy of the judgment for this case.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at some of the other coverage in the media, I am now wondering whether the tribunal used restitution at all. It may have come to the conclusion that the contract stating ¬£19,000 should be treated as an offer because it objectively resembled an offer even though no offer was intended. This is possible but would be an extreme and unusual finding and, to make it, the tribunal would not be able to take into account things that happened after the agreement was made, such as the fact that the error was not noticed for three years, or the fact that the higher salary was included in a reference for a mortgage, both of which have been given prominence in the press. I would dearly love to see a copy of the judgment for this case.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Women have never had it so good? by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Women have never had it &#8230; &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/women-have-never-had-it-so-good/#comment-327</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Women have never had it &#8230; &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Jun 2009 23:51:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>Comment on Positive discrimination by Carl Gardner</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/positive-discrimination/#comment-324</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Gardner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 01 Jun 2009 16:50:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for mentioning my blog article on this. I think the ban on using positive action at the point of recruitment as a policy will be a particular headache for bigger employers - large firms and public sector organisations who have extensive HR policies. They&#039;ll have to use this provision, if they use it all, &quot;off-policy&quot;, which I think many of them will find strange and unattractive.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for mentioning my blog article on this. I think the ban on using positive action at the point of recruitment as a policy will be a particular headache for bigger employers &#8211; large firms and public sector organisations who have extensive HR policies. They&#8217;ll have to use this provision, if they use it all, &#8220;off-policy&#8221;, which I think many of them will find strange and unattractive.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Costs in discrimination cases by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/costs-in-discrimination-cases/#comment-310</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 11:53:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks Peter,

The problem with this case is that the tribunal chose not to expressly say that the claimant had lied. The appeal was granted because it was said that it followed from the findings of fact that the claimant had lied, even though the tribunal had exercised its discretion not to award costs.

I agree that costs should be awarded in certain cases but I do not think that it is useful to distinguish between serious and non-serious forms of lying. As tribunal costs are arguably punitive, a better solution is to say that a higher standard of proof should apply and costs should only be awarded when the tribunal has a high level of confidence that there has been a lie and it feels costs are warranted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Peter,</p>
<p>The problem with this case is that the tribunal chose not to expressly say that the claimant had lied. The appeal was granted because it was said that it followed from the findings of fact that the claimant had lied, even though the tribunal had exercised its discretion not to award costs.</p>
<p>I agree that costs should be awarded in certain cases but I do not think that it is useful to distinguish between serious and non-serious forms of lying. As tribunal costs are arguably punitive, a better solution is to say that a higher standard of proof should apply and costs should only be awarded when the tribunal has a high level of confidence that there has been a lie and it feels costs are warranted.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Constructive dismissal turned upside-down by PT</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/constructive-dismissal-turned-upside-down/#comment-308</link>
		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:45:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was going to comment on why it must be wrong to say that you can have a fair implied term constructive dismissal, but you&#039;ve made the point far better yourself in your follow-up post!

I&#039;ll put my hands up and admit that the day job hasn&#039;t given me the chance to read Buckland yet. However, I am intrigued by this notion of &#039;fixing&#039; a breach of the implied term...

If my employer has done something so bad that I am entitled to say that I no longer trust him, but if he can nevertheless &#039;fix&#039; the wrong he has done: Who is the judge of whether he has &#039;fixed&#039; it? Obviously the test can&#039;t be whether I actually trust him now (but if I do give him another chance then clearly I have waived my right to claim constructive dismissal). But an objective test strikes me as very problematic too: In most implied term cases, there has been a genuine breakdown of trust. It seems unduly harsh on the employee to say that an employer who has badly misbehaved can go through the motions and sign letters put in front of him by his dutiful HR manager, and thus absolve himself of liability for his wrongdoing, when the trust is in fact long dead and buried?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was going to comment on why it must be wrong to say that you can have a fair implied term constructive dismissal, but you&#8217;ve made the point far better yourself in your follow-up post!</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put my hands up and admit that the day job hasn&#8217;t given me the chance to read Buckland yet. However, I am intrigued by this notion of &#8216;fixing&#8217; a breach of the implied term&#8230;</p>
<p>If my employer has done something so bad that I am entitled to say that I no longer trust him, but if he can nevertheless &#8216;fix&#8217; the wrong he has done: Who is the judge of whether he has &#8216;fixed&#8217; it? Obviously the test can&#8217;t be whether I actually trust him now (but if I do give him another chance then clearly I have waived my right to claim constructive dismissal). But an objective test strikes me as very problematic too: In most implied term cases, there has been a genuine breakdown of trust. It seems unduly harsh on the employee to say that an employer who has badly misbehaved can go through the motions and sign letters put in front of him by his dutiful HR manager, and thus absolve himself of liability for his wrongdoing, when the trust is in fact long dead and buried?</p>
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		<title>Comment on Costs in discrimination cases by PT</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/costs-in-discrimination-cases/#comment-307</link>
		<dc:creator>PT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 May 2009 00:24:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is a lawyer&#039;s distinction; but the distinction is there between lying and the various shades of grey that separate a lie from the truth, such as being mistaken, or exaggerating, etc.

A deliberate and cynical lie under oath at Tribunal is, let us not forget, perjury and a serious criminal offence.

I don&#039;t think there is any room for doubt that a deliberate and cynical lie is unreasonable conduct. Unreasonable conduct can be punished by a costs award. There really is nothing new here.

What is new is that someone has taken the time to spell this out, whereas normally it may get forgotten.

The bit of dark law, which makes the whole matter more stomachable on a day-to-day basis (and consistent with the authorities that say costs awards are exceptional) is this: Employment Judges don&#039;t usually call a lie a lie, unless forced to do so. In fact, they avoid calling people liars whenever possible. Nor do they call unreasonable conduct as it is, unless forced to do so.

I would therefore suggest that, in order for a lie to: a) be called for what it is; and b) result in a costs award against the liar; it would generally take a pretty blatant, brazen and cynical lie - the kind of lie that, when seen in practice, you yourself would agree should have a costs award against it, no matter how rare costs awards are in Employment Tribunals, and no matter how much you would want to keep costs awards rare.

I therefore expect that, if Employment Judges are sensible in how they deal with this authority, no new legal principle will emerge and costs awards will remain rare.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is a lawyer&#8217;s distinction; but the distinction is there between lying and the various shades of grey that separate a lie from the truth, such as being mistaken, or exaggerating, etc.</p>
<p>A deliberate and cynical lie under oath at Tribunal is, let us not forget, perjury and a serious criminal offence.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think there is any room for doubt that a deliberate and cynical lie is unreasonable conduct. Unreasonable conduct can be punished by a costs award. There really is nothing new here.</p>
<p>What is new is that someone has taken the time to spell this out, whereas normally it may get forgotten.</p>
<p>The bit of dark law, which makes the whole matter more stomachable on a day-to-day basis (and consistent with the authorities that say costs awards are exceptional) is this: Employment Judges don&#8217;t usually call a lie a lie, unless forced to do so. In fact, they avoid calling people liars whenever possible. Nor do they call unreasonable conduct as it is, unless forced to do so.</p>
<p>I would therefore suggest that, in order for a lie to: a) be called for what it is; and b) result in a costs award against the liar; it would generally take a pretty blatant, brazen and cynical lie &#8211; the kind of lie that, when seen in practice, you yourself would agree should have a costs award against it, no matter how rare costs awards are in Employment Tribunals, and no matter how much you would want to keep costs awards rare.</p>
<p>I therefore expect that, if Employment Judges are sensible in how they deal with this authority, no new legal principle will emerge and costs awards will remain rare.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Costs in discrimination cases by Rad Kohanzad</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/costs-in-discrimination-cases/#comment-277</link>
		<dc:creator>Rad Kohanzad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 May 2009 17:02:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that it unusual and undesirable for the EAT to interfere with the findings of an employment tribunal in the way that the EAT has done here, however, from a logical perspective, Justice Wilkie has a point, the finding of the ET do seem perverse, given their findings of fact.

In terms of this setting a bad precedent, I think that you are over exaggerating  the effect of its impact because (1) parties do not lie on crucial matters most of the time - I would estimate it at about 25%!, and (2) those lies are not invariably cynical and deliberate - I would estimate it at say 33.3%. If you multiply those percentages, you get 8%. Now, those lies will only get picked up, say 60% of the time (I think that&#039;s pretty complementary to the ETS), that leaves costs in about 5% of cases (I realise this figure does not factor in the mistakes that tribunals will make in erroneously finding that someone has deliberately lied on a crucial matter). 

I further think that this case will not have the impact suggested because Employment Judges are famously slow in changing their habits, unless really forced to do so, and it leaves them, in my view, enough wriggle room to resist any application from an over eager representative. 

Personally, I don‚Äôt think that it is a bad thing if there were costs awarded in 5% of cases where parties have been found to have flagrantly lied. When advising your client about costs, you simply inform them that if they are found to have deliberately lied to the tribunal that they will have costs awarded against them. Those telling the truth will not be put off and many liars will be deterred from lying.

If you retort that some truth telling Claimants will be put off from bringing their Claim, I would beg to differ. What difference would a perspective litigant think between being told that (1) costs are only awarded where it is found that you have been unreasonable, vexatious or your Claim is misconceived, or (2)   costs are only awarded where it is found that you have been unreasonable, vexatious or your Claim is misconceived, for example, where you have been found to have deliberately lied to the tribunal? 

Furthermore, there would also be the knock on benefit of the fact that some lying Respondents would be more likely to settle before a hearing with the threat of costs hanging over them if they are caught lying.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that it unusual and undesirable for the EAT to interfere with the findings of an employment tribunal in the way that the EAT has done here, however, from a logical perspective, Justice Wilkie has a point, the finding of the ET do seem perverse, given their findings of fact.</p>
<p>In terms of this setting a bad precedent, I think that you are over exaggerating  the effect of its impact because (1) parties do not lie on crucial matters most of the time &#8211; I would estimate it at about 25%!, and (2) those lies are not invariably cynical and deliberate &#8211; I would estimate it at say 33.3%. If you multiply those percentages, you get 8%. Now, those lies will only get picked up, say 60% of the time (I think that&#8217;s pretty complementary to the ETS), that leaves costs in about 5% of cases (I realise this figure does not factor in the mistakes that tribunals will make in erroneously finding that someone has deliberately lied on a crucial matter). </p>
<p>I further think that this case will not have the impact suggested because Employment Judges are famously slow in changing their habits, unless really forced to do so, and it leaves them, in my view, enough wriggle room to resist any application from an over eager representative. </p>
<p>Personally, I don‚Äôt think that it is a bad thing if there were costs awarded in 5% of cases where parties have been found to have flagrantly lied. When advising your client about costs, you simply inform them that if they are found to have deliberately lied to the tribunal that they will have costs awarded against them. Those telling the truth will not be put off and many liars will be deterred from lying.</p>
<p>If you retort that some truth telling Claimants will be put off from bringing their Claim, I would beg to differ. What difference would a perspective litigant think between being told that (1) costs are only awarded where it is found that you have been unreasonable, vexatious or your Claim is misconceived, or (2)   costs are only awarded where it is found that you have been unreasonable, vexatious or your Claim is misconceived, for example, where you have been found to have deliberately lied to the tribunal? </p>
<p>Furthermore, there would also be the knock on benefit of the fact that some lying Respondents would be more likely to settle before a hearing with the threat of costs hanging over them if they are caught lying.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Constructive dismissal turned upside-down by Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Constructive dismissal &#8230; &#171; Employment Law</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/constructive-dismissal-turned-upside-down/#comment-246</link>
		<dc:creator>Employment Law Advocates ¬ª Blog Archive ¬ª Constructive dismissal &#8230; &#171; Employment Law</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 14:50:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] S&#173;e&#173;e&#173; the&#173; ori&#173;gi&#173;n&#173;a&#173;l&#173; p&#173;os&#173;t he&#173;re&#173;: Emplo&#173;y&#173;men&#173;t&#173; Law Adv&#173;o&#173;cat&#173;es ¬ª B&#173;lo&#173;g&#173; Ar&amp;#173... [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] S&#173;e&#173;e&#173; the&#173; ori&#173;gi&#173;n&#173;a&#173;l&#173; p&#173;os&#173;t he&#173;re&#173;: Emplo&#173;y&#173;men&#173;t&#173; Law Adv&#173;o&#173;cat&#173;es ¬ª B&#173;lo&#173;g&#173; Ar&amp;#173&#8230; [...]</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crisis at the EHRC by James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/crisis-at-the-ehrc/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Mar 2009 17:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no doubt that the EHRC does a great deal of important work. My frustration comes from the sense that it could be doing a lot more with the resources it has at its disposal. Ultimately, it is because I believe so passionately in what it stands for that I want it to do better.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no doubt that the EHRC does a great deal of important work. My frustration comes from the sense that it could be doing a lot more with the resources it has at its disposal. Ultimately, it is because I believe so passionately in what it stands for that I want it to do better.</p>
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		<title>Comment on Crisis at the EHRC by EHRC</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/crisis-at-the-ehrc/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>EHRC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Mar 2009 21:10:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course we have our critics, in an area as complex as ours, where a fair and equal society is the business of everyone, we would expect nothing less. The recent announcements about the departures of Nicola Brewer, Kay Hampton and Patrick Diamond are in no way related. We&#039;re proud of  &lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/e4rxs8&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; what we&#039;ve achieved  &lt;/a&gt;in the last 18 months, from the grant programme distributing ¬£10.5m to grass roots organisations; the helpline which takes thousands of calls a month; more than 90 legal actions to protect and extend rights for everyone (here‚Äôs three examples:  &lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/pnyw6j&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; David Allen, &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/qcjasd &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sharon Coleman, &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/dy13iz &quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Jason Smith);  &lt;/a&gt;undertaking our &lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/2rzg6f&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; duties  &lt;/a&gt; under Section 16 of the Equality Act 2006 and a series of substantial reports (see &lt;a href=&quot;http://cli.gs/e7urE6&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here, &lt;/a&gt; &lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/2ztpga&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here, &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/n3mehn&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here, &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/3h3ep7&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; here &lt;/a&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://twurl.nl/x7wbsf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;and here) &lt;/a&gt; aimed at providing new policy solutions to long running issues around fairness and human rights. We will always listen to what others have to say about our performance but after 18 months, we believe our record of achievement gives us the firm foundation to move Britain towards a future where everyone can be their best whatever their characteristic or background.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course we have our critics, in an area as complex as ours, where a fair and equal society is the business of everyone, we would expect nothing less. The recent announcements about the departures of Nicola Brewer, Kay Hampton and Patrick Diamond are in no way related. We&#8217;re proud of  <a href="http://twurl.nl/e4rxs8" rel="nofollow"> what we&#8217;ve achieved  </a>in the last 18 months, from the grant programme distributing ¬£10.5m to grass roots organisations; the helpline which takes thousands of calls a month; more than 90 legal actions to protect and extend rights for everyone (here‚Äôs three examples:  <a href="http://twurl.nl/pnyw6j" rel="nofollow"> David Allen, </a><a href="http://twurl.nl/qcjasd " rel="nofollow">Sharon Coleman, </a><a href="http://twurl.nl/dy13iz " rel="nofollow"> Jason Smith);  </a>undertaking our <a href="http://twurl.nl/2rzg6f" rel="nofollow"> duties  </a> under Section 16 of the Equality Act 2006 and a series of substantial reports (see <a href="http://cli.gs/e7urE6" rel="nofollow"> here, </a> <a href="http://twurl.nl/2ztpga" rel="nofollow"> here, </a><a href="http://twurl.nl/n3mehn" rel="nofollow"> here, </a><a href="http://twurl.nl/3h3ep7" rel="nofollow"> here </a><a href="http://twurl.nl/x7wbsf" rel="nofollow">and here) </a> aimed at providing new policy solutions to long running issues around fairness and human rights. We will always listen to what others have to say about our performance but after 18 months, we believe our record of achievement gives us the firm foundation to move Britain towards a future where everyone can be their best whatever their characteristic or background.</p>
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