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	<title>Comments on: The Church and the Equality Bill</title>
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		<title>By: James Medhurst</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-church-and-the-equality-bill/#comment-1293</link>
		<dc:creator>James Medhurst</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Feb 2010 00:00:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My point is not that the House of Lords have changed the Bill. My point is that they have tried to do so although, ultimately, they are bound to fail. However, there will be a small number of claimants disadvantaged in the time that it takes to go to the ECJ. In any event, it is unhelpful to have laws appearing wider than they are as this can discourage legitimate claims and makes errors of law more likely.

Amicus says that the test is a narrow one but a wider test was applied by a tribunal in Reaney v Hereford Diocesan Board (although the church still lost). The problem is that the old test gives far too much weight to avoiding offence to members of a religion, many of whom will object to youth workers, for example, being gay. Youth workers are a very important category of people about whom Amicus and, as far as I know, advocates of the amendment, have failed to state a clear position. This troubles me greatly.

I do not claim that I am unbiased. This is a blog, after all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My point is not that the House of Lords have changed the Bill. My point is that they have tried to do so although, ultimately, they are bound to fail. However, there will be a small number of claimants disadvantaged in the time that it takes to go to the ECJ. In any event, it is unhelpful to have laws appearing wider than they are as this can discourage legitimate claims and makes errors of law more likely.</p>
<p>Amicus says that the test is a narrow one but a wider test was applied by a tribunal in Reaney v Hereford Diocesan Board (although the church still lost). The problem is that the old test gives far too much weight to avoiding offence to members of a religion, many of whom will object to youth workers, for example, being gay. Youth workers are a very important category of people about whom Amicus and, as far as I know, advocates of the amendment, have failed to state a clear position. This troubles me greatly.</p>
<p>I do not claim that I am unbiased. This is a blog, after all.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Addison</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-church-and-the-equality-bill/#comment-1290</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Addison</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 20:31:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>With the Utmost Possible Respect to the author of this piece he seems to be making two completely contradictory points 
(i) that the changes proposed by the government in the Equality Bill do not change the existing legal position as set out in the current Sexual Orientation regulations and 
(ii)  that the decision by the House of Lords to restate the existing provisions in the Equality Bill fundamentally change the Bill.  

In addition when saying that the decision by the House of Lords will be overruled because of &quot;reasoned opinion&quot; by the European Commission both he, and the Commission, are ignoring the fact that the question of whether the exemptions in the Regulations complied with the Directive was carefully considered by the High Court in the case of Amicus MSF Section, R (on the application of) v Secretary of State for Trade and Industry [2004] EWHC 860 In that case the Judge clearly stated that the European Directive had been properly implemented by the British Employment Regulations and the exemptions for religious organisations set out in those regulations were legal.

Nobody has appealed that decision to the European Court of Justice or to the UK Supreme Court and therefore that decision by the High Court represents the current legal position.

In a society governed by the rule of law courts decide what the law is and a legal opinion, however &quot;reasoned&quot; it may be, cannot overrule or take precedence over a decision by a court. 

The High Court is entitled to have its decisions respected and supported by the British Government and Parliament. Decisions by national courts on questions of European Law can only be overruled by the European Court of Justice and not by the bureaucrats of the European Commission no matter how &quot;reasoned&quot; their opinions may be.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With the Utmost Possible Respect to the author of this piece he seems to be making two completely contradictory points<br />
(i) that the changes proposed by the government in the Equality Bill do not change the existing legal position as set out in the current Sexual Orientation regulations and<br />
(ii)  that the decision by the House of Lords to restate the existing provisions in the Equality Bill fundamentally change the Bill.  </p>
<p>In addition when saying that the decision by the House of Lords will be overruled because of &#8220;reasoned opinion&#8221; by the European Commission both he, and the Commission, are ignoring the fact that the question of whether the exemptions in the Regulations complied with the Directive was carefully considered by the High Court in the case of Amicus MSF Section, R (on the application of) v Secretary of State for Trade and Industry [2004] EWHC 860 In that case the Judge clearly stated that the European Directive had been properly implemented by the British Employment Regulations and the exemptions for religious organisations set out in those regulations were legal.</p>
<p>Nobody has appealed that decision to the European Court of Justice or to the UK Supreme Court and therefore that decision by the High Court represents the current legal position.</p>
<p>In a society governed by the rule of law courts decide what the law is and a legal opinion, however &#8220;reasoned&#8221; it may be, cannot overrule or take precedence over a decision by a court. </p>
<p>The High Court is entitled to have its decisions respected and supported by the British Government and Parliament. Decisions by national courts on questions of European Law can only be overruled by the European Court of Justice and not by the bureaucrats of the European Commission no matter how &#8220;reasoned&#8221; their opinions may be.</p>
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		<title>By: Cecil Finlay</title>
		<link>http://www.employmentlawadvocates.com/the-church-and-the-equality-bill/#comment-1287</link>
		<dc:creator>Cecil Finlay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Feb 2010 09:28:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad to see such unbiased reporting.....Not...!!!

It&#039;s not hard to tell on which side of the argument the author of this article sits...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad to see such unbiased reporting&#8230;..Not&#8230;!!!</p>
<p>It&#8217;s not hard to tell on which side of the argument the author of this article sits&#8230;</p>
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